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Post by Holodoc on Mar 16, 2002 20:39:29 GMT -5
The Doctor spent a lot of time on the holodeck. One might say that's where he grew up.
Which of these holodeck heavy episodes featuring the Doctor did you enjoy the most?
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Post by Christina on Mar 17, 2002 7:21:04 GMT -5
Heroes & Demons A fun/dark one. Really the meet the Doctor show,
Projections Where the programming starts to get a bit flakey
The Swarm Meet Dr Zimmerman.........
Darkling Where we rediscover that what makes us strong isn't always nice.....
Real Life Sniff, sob.
Nothing Human Coping with Dr Mengele.... and making important decisions
Someone to Watch Over Me Aw, shame. Never mind, it's early days yet........
Author, Author Hmph. no comment
I think I'll go for Projections. It was well done and no one really knew what was going on until quite close to the end.
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Post by Dr. Jekyl on Mar 17, 2002 9:57:41 GMT -5
Note: starred episode summaries may contain spoilers. Heroes & Demons: The episode of Firsts. First name, first trip to the holodeck, first kiss, first chance to really play Star Fleet... Projections: Identity crisis Mark I. Learn about some of the Doc's unconscious dreams and desires, and how comfotable/uncomfortable he is with his limitations as a hologram. Also first appearance of Reg Barclay. The Swarm: If only it had been the *A* plot rather than the other stupid thing. First appearance of Dr. Zimmerman. Darkling: Identity crisis Mark II. Doc does Dark. First real experience in what nasty things can happen when his programming is altered. Real Life:  The episode that never fails to make me cry. Nothing Human: Medical ethics and a nasty Cardassian. *Someone to Watch Over Me: *sighs* When Trek does romance well, watch out... If only That Bastard Biller hadn't completely ruined everything.  *Author, Author: Had potential... but to my mind is part of the degenerative characterisation arc. The central issue - ie, holo-rights - could have been portrayed without making the Doc look like a completely insenstive clod. Some resolution would have been nice too. I've had a long, hard think about this one and 'Someone' gets my vote as the episode I've most enjoyed, though it was a close thing with 'Real Life' coming in right behind it. |
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Post by Holodoc on Mar 17, 2002 11:17:56 GMT -5
Heroes & Demons: The episode of Firsts. First name, first trip to the holodeck, first kiss, first chance to really play Star Fleet... Nuh uh. Kes kissed him in Eye of the Needle. Unless of course you're not counting the cheek. This was a difficult one to select. A couple of these have permanent privileges on my hard drive. I like the story within a story within a story thing in Projections. The ending where Doc sticks his arm out of Sickbay to be sure it dematerializes is just brilliant. That one gesture not only confirms that he's back in the real world, but that he is entirely comfortable with his unique physiology. He is what he is, and what a relief not to be human. Kes kissed him in this too. I picked The Swarm. Even though it was the sleeper disguised as a B-Plot, and the A-Plot was banal, the moments of Doc's storyline just hit me. For the first time we see Doc with a hobby as he battles egoes with a soprano in an opera simulation. His bliss with having discovered music is obvious when he sings in Sickbay later. The passion with what life has to offer and what level he's reached is taken from him when his memory degrades. The solution seems to be resetting him back to the way he was in Caretaker. Interactions with the Zimmerman hologram are priceless, first with B'Elanna dealing with Lewis' superiority, then with Kes checking in on the diagnostics (Lewis throws so many "gimme a break" expressions, and at one point looks as though he's going to bust a nonexistent blood vessel). The latter scene ends with holo-Lewis eyeing Kes; he's obviously wondering whether Doc had sex with her. Then that vacuous moment later on, when Doc looks at Janeway while Kes treats an injured alien and says "He's a sick man. This is where sick people come." Aw man forget it... And you know he got kissed by you-know-who again here  Darkling was so lame. I'm sorry. It just cracks me up. Other than the moment in Sickbay confronting Kes with her increased unrealiability, then as Dr Hyde w/B'Elanna in Sickbay and Kes in the tavern, this was really a pretty useless effort. Is there ever a dry eye in the audience after this? I thought he had a nice disposition. But you know, it reminds me of people whom I thought were my friends. Someone who stalked and betrayed me was real friendly to them, and they couldn't be brought to say no. They were suddenly assimilated into her circle. It goes to show that ultimately, being nice doesn't mean someone is nice at all, and actions DO speak louder than words. Someone to Watch Over Me - Now this was a nice one. Almost got my vote. All that Pygmalion stuff. The most circulated audio AND avi clip from Voyager on the net are those of Doc and Seven singing You are my Sunshine, easily one of the shining moments of the entire series. How many times did you yell at the screen: "TELL HER, YOU DOPE!"  Author, Author Hey I liked this one. I liked where Tom exacts revenge by subjecting Doc to Dr. Combover, then Doc and Paris have it out in the corridor. I like where Harry goes "MoOoOoOm!!!" I only wish it weren't so implausible. The Doctor was evolved enough to know better by then, and that nobody cited Data's trial really killed it for everybody. The epilogue with the Mark I's brought a (simulated) lump in my throat, and was just incredible to watch after having already written Dr. Merlin's account of having labored in plasma conduits and begun the outline for a novel I'm currently drafting. |
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Post by Dr. Jekyl on Mar 17, 2002 11:29:59 GMT -5
I wasn't... but anyway, we can call it the first 'pash' if you prefer, or the first one where he was something of an active participant.
I love that scene... it's just so perfectly fitting.
More every time I watch it... I swear, some times I just want to belt the bastard when he just lets her walk out of that holodeck.
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Post by Holodoc on Mar 17, 2002 11:33:07 GMT -5
I wasn't... but anyway, we can call it the first 'pash' if you prefer, or the first one where he was something of an active participant. Okay first liplock. Projections has the second... Sandrine's the third... he had it better than the crew, didn't he? Heh yeah. Me too. But you know he'd just alter his magnetic containment field at the last moment. |
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Post by Dr. Jekyl on Mar 17, 2002 11:43:01 GMT -5
It seems so... he certainly seemed to do better than practically everyone else in the romance stakes. I think only Harry may have had more romances than him.
You're probably right... and then there'd be no satisfaction in it. Think of how differently things might have turned out if he'd spoken out.
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Post by Holodoc on Mar 17, 2002 12:22:21 GMT -5
You're probably right... and then there'd be no satisfaction in it. Think of how differently things might have turned out if he'd spoken out. You know, I think I know now what Jeri Ryan meant when she said Seven would end up a tragic character. ***Holodoc cautiously makes a sidewise glance at Christina the Chakotay fan |
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Post by Peter_Pevensie on Mar 19, 2002 2:42:36 GMT -5
^^^ Peter laughs...
...from a nice, safe distance... ;D
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Post by Christina on Mar 19, 2002 14:57:37 GMT -5
Christina sticks her nose in the air and says haughtily
Jeri said that before before Endgame was written. I believe she was referring to the denoument of her little itch-scratching escapades on the holodeck.... Where 7 discovers that her Borg implants shut her down when she gets too emotionally involved.
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Post by Holodoc on Mar 19, 2002 16:10:37 GMT -5
Nah. She said it was how Seven would end up.
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Post by Dr. Jekyl on Mar 20, 2002 9:28:19 GMT -5
I think that Ryan's prediction was originally in regards to 'Human Error', rather than "Endgame', but that Jeri proved to be a more accurate seer than she expected. If find Seven's situation at the end of the season to be oddly more tragic than in 'Human Error' - experiencing the full range of human emotions but locked into a relationship with a man not only many years her senior and decades more advanced emotionally, but who has given given off many signals over the years that indicate he is in love with another woman - Janeway. The sense is, for me at least, that Chuckles settled on the spur of the moment for his second best and Seven is the biggest of two loosers in the relationship. Of course, that's just me and I have strong D/7 leanings . |
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Post by Christina on Mar 20, 2002 15:04:28 GMT -5
I'm just violently anti C/7 so I agree, on the whole.
(Then again, I'm anti J/C too. He's mine, I tell you, MINE!)
calm down woman, it's only a tv show, it's only a show
Ahem
Most of Chakotay's 'romances' have been initiated by the other party, and he's gone along with it. Maybe he's scared of rejection so he lets the other take the lead? Whatever, Seven was certainly playing what we would traditionally regard as the male role in that 'courtship'.
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Post by Peter_Pevensie on Mar 22, 2002 10:52:18 GMT -5
^^^ Not too surprising, resistance being what it is and all...  |
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Post by Holodoc on Mar 22, 2002 12:12:50 GMT -5
Peter? Have you voted? Inquiring minds want to know  |
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The episode that never fails to make me cry.
